Baptism remits Original sin in infants... (general)
First off DUDE, you should know better since you claim to have read the whole Bible.
Are you saying that an infant begins some magical covenant with God if they are dipped in water? I'm sure God loves that fact that men FORCED a completely ignorant person to be baptized. I could shove a 5 year old atheist down into the water but it hardly saves his soul or begins any covenant. If you can't see that you are blind. Jesus's teaching shows an act of making change, believing and confessing Him as Christ, and repenting. Infants can't do any of that. It's a concious choice, not a forced one. Inherited and original sin is a false teaching, I've plainly shown that above. Go read the scriptures if you like. For it was written!
I believe we are all in search for truth and Peace, but the difference is you are using tradition in unapproved ways, essentially replacing God's word with your own. 2 Tim 2:15 says to show ourselves approved to God by studying. Do you think he meant them to wait 150 years, then study Catholicism? 2 Thessalonians 2:15 shows SCRIPTURE is the tradition we are commanded to obey. Even Bibleprobe tried to use Irenaeus' writings to prove there are verbal traditions not in the Bible. I agree there are Biblical Apostolic church father teachings but they all actually quote scriptural ideas. There is nothing in Irenaeus' letter against Heresies (book 3) that does not align to exactly what the new testament teaches. You could make the same argument for Tertullian about 20 years later in his writing. Even if they had written about infant baptism it wouldn't matter because they were not inspired as Apostles were, and could clearly adopt creeds to their beliefs, even if it was unbiblical and wrong. Men are not perfect. But to continue and spread a false teaching in the name of tradition hardly makes it just.
Infant baptism is never inferred or commanded by God, Jesus, or the Apostles. God made it clear to unly follow the Gospel delivered to us, whether spoken by mouth or written. Why go beyond that? Instead of always trying to push the line in the sand to prove our own opinions, why can't we just follow the Bible for safety sake? Denominational teachers will cling to man-made creeds even when they overstep the Bible, all for tradition's sake. It's a matter of pride, not truth!
Complete thread:
- Infant baptism questions - Turbo6
, 10.29.2009 (general)- The apostles of Jesus baptized infants! - bibleprobe
, 10.29.2009- The apostles of Jesus baptized infants! - Turbo6
, 10.29.2009- Turbo6: I beg to differ with you about that - bibleprobe
, 10.29.2009- Turbo6: I beg to differ with you about that - Turbo6
, 10.30.2009- Turbo6: Pope or papa, or Bishop of Rome--just semantics - bibleprobe
, 10.30.2009- Turbo6: Pope or Papa, or Bishop of Rome--just semantics - Turbo6
, 10.30.2009- Scripture itself tells us to heed the traditions of the early church! - bibleprobe
, 10.30.2009- Scripture itself tells us to heed the traditions of the early church! - Turbo6
, 10.30.2009- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - bibleprobe
, 10.31.2009- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Lorenzo
, 10.31.2009- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Turbo6
, 11.06.2009- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Lorenzo
, 11.07.2009- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Lorenzo
, 11.07.2009 - Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Turbo6
, 11.07.2009- Turbo6: Why do you contradict the Lord? - bibleprobe
, 11.07.2009 - Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - fezik82
, 11.07.2009- I just checked the cross-references - fezik82
, 11.14.2009- I just checked the cross-references - Turbo6
, 11.30.2009- Turbo6: wrong again. Debate is about Jesus's wishes - bibleprobe
, 11.30.2009- Turbo6: wrong again. Debate is about Jesus's wishes - Turbo6
, 11.30.2009- Delete - fezik82
, 11.30.2009
- Delete - fezik82
- Turbo6: wrong again. Debate is about Jesus's wishes - Turbo6
- I just checked the cross-references - fezik82
, 11.30.2009- I just checked the cross-references - Turbo6
, 11.30.2009- Turbo6.... - fezik82
, 11.30.2009- A child's ability to accept Christ is not the point here - bibleprobe
, 11.30.2009
- A child's ability to accept Christ is not the point here - bibleprobe
- Turbo6.... - fezik82
- I just checked the cross-references - Turbo6
- Turbo6: wrong again. Debate is about Jesus's wishes - bibleprobe
- I just checked the cross-references - Turbo6
- I just checked the cross-references - fezik82
- Turbo6: Why do you contradict the Lord? - bibleprobe
- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Lorenzo
- 2nd off Dude: Jesus said to do it (water Baptism) - bibleprobe
, 11.08.2009- 3rd off Dude: Baptism is for children - fezik82
, 11.09.2009- fezik82: Thanks... - bibleprobe
, 11.09.2009- fezik82: Thanks... - fezik82
, 11.10.2009
- fezik82: Thanks... - fezik82
- fezik82: Thanks... - bibleprobe
- 3rd off Dude: Baptism is for children - fezik82
- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Lorenzo
- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - fezik82
, 11.06.2009- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Lorenzo
, 11.07.2009- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - fezik82
, 11.07.2009
- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - fezik82
- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Lorenzo
- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Turbo6
- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Lorenzo
- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - bibleprobe
- Scripture itself tells us to heed the traditions of the early church! - Turbo6
- Scripture itself tells us to heed the traditions of the early church! - bibleprobe
- Turbo6: Pope or Papa, or Bishop of Rome--just semantics - Turbo6
- Turbo6: Pope or papa, or Bishop of Rome--just semantics - bibleprobe
- Turbo6: I beg to differ with you about that - Turbo6
- Turbo6: I beg to differ with you about that - bibleprobe
- The apostles of Jesus baptized infants! - Turbo6
- Infant baptism questions - Timotiyos
, 11.05.2009- Infant baptism questions - Bobby K
, 11.09.2009- Infant baptism questions - Lorenzo
, 11.11.2009
- Infant baptism questions - Lorenzo
- Infant baptism questions - Bobby K
- Jesus sacrifice saved everyone - canguy25
, 12.01.2009 - Infants Cant Repent of their sins - TeachingTheWay
, 12.06.2009- Infants Cant Repent of their sins - Lorenzo
, 12.07.2009 - TeachingTheWay: Just do what Jesus told you to do - bibleprobe
, 12.08.2009
- Infants Cant Repent of their sins - Lorenzo
- The apostles of Jesus baptized infants! - bibleprobe
