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Turbo6: Pope or Papa, or Bishop of Rome--just semantics (general)

posted by Turbo6(R), 10.30.2009

I'm sorry you think you know better than the Apostles and early Church fathers who walked and talked with the apostles, and were taught by them, vis-a-vis "infant baptism"...

Don't put words in people's mouths, I never said that. In fact, most early church theologians disagree with the Roman Catholic decent entirely. It shows you have a one track mind. I follow the Bible alone, which documents Christ's life. I follow scripture alone because it is EXACTLY what Christ and the Apostles taught and commanded us to do. Dont criticize me for doing what I am commanded to do sir/maddam. You are the one teaching principles not found in the Bible, you have to admit that.


I'm not going to say, that these Pope's were always honest. Some were even scoundrels. And the succession gets mirky around 900 AD-1100 AD. But that isn't the question here.

Popes were scoundrals yet they are still infallible? There is no biblical pattern for there to even be a pope or father of a church, other than Jesus/God. So even if you could provide proof that Peter was called a Bishop/Pope(there isn't), it would be idolatry and blasphemy against the Bible meaing Peter fell away. The Bible teaches autonomy for each congregration/collection of saints. Christ is the head, not a Pope, Cardinal, Bishop or Priest. According to YOU church history proves your point. Have you ever studied outside of papacy writings?


At one time we were all known as "Catholic". Which really means the "Universal Christian Church"...

Call me crazy but DISCIPLES were called Christians FIRST at Antioch. The word Catholic is never used in the Bible. The only thing universal about Roman Catholicism is the fact they collect money from all other churches to fund their own works, yet another direct violation of scripture.


You can call them Pope's, or Bishops of Rome. It's semantics...

Semantics? No. You are using the word Bishop out of translation anyway. The true word is Episcopos, not the English word Bishop. If you read the septuagint under Acts 20:17,28, Tit 1:5,7, and 1 Pet 5:1-2 the words elder, presbyter, overseer all refer to the same "office". Regardless, the overseer idea was only valid for authority for decision making for a LOCAL CONGREGATION, not all churches on Earth. The reason God commanded each church be autonomous was so corruption from a hierarchical system could not effect all churches answering to a head organization. It would take blindness to not see that in scripture. If the head of the church is Christ himself there is no corruption.


The Apostolic Church Elder Irenaeus claims that Pope Linus is the Linus mentioned by St. Paul in his 2 Timothy 4:21. The passage by Irenaeus (Adv. haereses, III, iii, 3) reads:

Irenaeus was writing in the late 2nd century, I guess after nearly 170 years you still consider whatever he says to be infallible proof over the Bible. It's your choice to disobey the Bible and follow men. Apostles were inspired and 1 Cor 13:8 shows that infallibility and Holy Sprit gifts did not continue through the lineage of disciples.



I've studied the history and lineage of Papacy and why it's not only idolatrous but unscriptural. I only asked simple questions about scripture, and you have turned this entire purpose around trying to prove we need to rely on men's traditions over the Bible. You can give men more credit by calling them "church fathers" but they were not inspired by God, that is a fact! Even from a common sense approach, a total idiot would say if you wanted to follow God's plan that you would study the word he gave man in the Bible. Not what men distorted to conform religion to for their own purposes.

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