Turbo6: I beg to differ with you about that (general)
Yikes! Where to begin...
My question was if the Bible supported infant baptism. After more research it's clear that we've settled the scriptures do not command that.
Infants are not sinners: Ezekiel 18:20, Ezekiel 28:15, I John 3:4, James 4:17, Matthew 18:3
*They can't believe, confess or repent, therefor can't obey the gospel: Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 8:36-37, Romans 10:10
Thanks for posting Kasten's article. It certainly didn't add any light on the subject other than the idea that men's doctrines are more important than Christ's. Funny, the reformation of the Catholic church created Dennis's Lutheran branch, which reverted back to sola scriptura! So he is actually a hypocrite for taking that stance because it's a tradition, not a scripture. The whole concept was if the Bible did not command it, you didn't do it. So much for non-denominationalism. I dont think I'm wrong when I say the articles on this site will use any doctrine around that supports the webmaster's belief system, regardless what the Bible says.
Peter was not a Pope, that is a century old argument that is not only unscriptural but unfactual. Can anyone cite any non-catholic sources to back this up? Peter was married (1 Cor 9:5), he denied the Lord 3 times (Mt. 26:69-75), he was rebuked by the Lord (Mt. 16:23), he was called a heretic by Paul (Gal. 2:11), he wasn't better than the other 11 apostles (Mt. 18:18; 2 Cor.11:5;12:11), he was never called a Pope/Papa, never called Vicar of Christ, never mentioned successors, Jesus said the church would be built upon the "rock", or Petra (a mass of rock) in Mt. 16:18 yet Peter in Greek means "detached stone", Peter said Jesus was the chief cornerstone (Acts 4:12; Eph. 2:20) etc etc. There is no biblical or historicity to verify Peter was a Pope unless you ask someone in Vatican city. The words "Pope", "infallible", and "vicar of Christ" are never even used in the Bible. The first Pope wasn't even declared to be infallible until the 11th century anyway. You should realize that a man trying to be the infallible vicar of Christ is impossible according to Jesus (for all men have sinned and fall short) and it's idolatry for putting man on the same level as God. This is off my original topic but you are making claims you can't back up with scripture or historical facts, just stories handed down by Bishops and Popes.
You've made it very clear your agenda is to defend your denominational beliefs regardless what history and the Bible actually says. But I digress...
I consider this question, case closed. You have answered my questions by showing lack of support from the scripture. I don't want that on my concience, so thank you for helping me dig deeper into my Bible.
Complete thread:
- Infant baptism questions - Turbo6
, 10.29.2009 (general)- The apostles of Jesus baptized infants! - bibleprobe
, 10.29.2009- The apostles of Jesus baptized infants! - Turbo6
, 10.29.2009- Turbo6: I beg to differ with you about that - bibleprobe
, 10.29.2009- Turbo6: I beg to differ with you about that - Turbo6
, 10.30.2009- Turbo6: Pope or papa, or Bishop of Rome--just semantics - bibleprobe
, 10.30.2009- Turbo6: Pope or Papa, or Bishop of Rome--just semantics - Turbo6
, 10.30.2009- Scripture itself tells us to heed the traditions of the early church! - bibleprobe
, 10.30.2009- Scripture itself tells us to heed the traditions of the early church! - Turbo6
, 10.30.2009- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - bibleprobe
, 10.31.2009- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Lorenzo
, 10.31.2009- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Turbo6
, 11.06.2009- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Lorenzo
, 11.07.2009- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Lorenzo
, 11.07.2009 - Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Turbo6
, 11.07.2009- Turbo6: Why do you contradict the Lord? - bibleprobe
, 11.07.2009 - Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - fezik82
, 11.07.2009- I just checked the cross-references - fezik82
, 11.14.2009
- I just checked the cross-references - fezik82
- Turbo6: Why do you contradict the Lord? - bibleprobe
- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Lorenzo
- 2nd off Dude: Jesus said to do it (water Baptism) - bibleprobe
, 11.08.2009- 3rd off Dude: Baptism is for children - fezik82
, 11.09.2009- fezik82: Thanks... - bibleprobe
, 11.09.2009- fezik82: Thanks... - fezik82
, 11.10.2009
- fezik82: Thanks... - fezik82
- fezik82: Thanks... - bibleprobe
- 3rd off Dude: Baptism is for children - fezik82
- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Lorenzo
- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - fezik82
, 11.06.2009- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Lorenzo
, 11.07.2009- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - fezik82
, 11.07.2009
- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - fezik82
- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Lorenzo
- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Turbo6
- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - Lorenzo
- Baptism remits Original sin in infants... - bibleprobe
- Scripture itself tells us to heed the traditions of the early church! - Turbo6
- Scripture itself tells us to heed the traditions of the early church! - bibleprobe
- Turbo6: Pope or Papa, or Bishop of Rome--just semantics - Turbo6
- Turbo6: Pope or papa, or Bishop of Rome--just semantics - bibleprobe
- Turbo6: I beg to differ with you about that - Turbo6
- Turbo6: I beg to differ with you about that - bibleprobe
- The apostles of Jesus baptized infants! - Turbo6
- Infant baptism questions - Timotiyos
, 11.05.2009- Infant baptism questions - Bobby K
, 11.09.2009- Infant baptism questions - Lorenzo
, 11.11.2009
- Infant baptism questions - Lorenzo
- Infant baptism questions - Bobby K
- The apostles of Jesus baptized infants! - bibleprobe
