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Highly Recommended book: "Shocked By The Bible" (books)

posted by bibleprobe1(R), 09.24.2008
(edited by bibleprobe1 on 09.24.2008)

Who will believe it? The greatest of kings; born in the humblest of places.... God, born in the flesh! /s/ Steve @

"I you think you really know the Bible, better think again. Joe Kovacs takes a close look at the greatest story ever told and separates myth from reality." Bill O'Reilly -anchor, Fox News Channel


Following from "Shocked By The Bible" The Most Astonishing Facts You've Never Been Told, by Joe Kovacs - Pages 29-32
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"God the Father is not in the Old Testament"

What's in a Name?

To explore the long resume of Jesus, start by looking at the New Testament. Among these twenty-seven books, Jesus is known by a variety of names and titles. For instance, He is:

The Word (John 1:1, 14; Revelation 19:13)

The Saviour (Luke 2:11; Philippians 3:20; Titus 2:13)

The Son of God (Luke 1:35; Matthew 8:29; John 1:34)

The Son of man (Matthew 13:41; 16:27; Luke 24:7)

The first and the last (Revelation 1:11, 17; 22:13)

King of kings (1 Timothy 6:15; Revelation 17:14; 19:16)

Lord of lords (1 Timothy; Revelation 17:14; 19:16)

The gospel of John wastes no time providing Jesus' true identity. John who calls Jesus "the Word," says Jesus is God Himself, the Creator of all things: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made" (1:1-3).

The New Living Translation emphasizes the fact that Jesus was not making His debut in the manger, but has been alive forever: "In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was God" (v. 1).

This person Jesus, whom John calls "the Word," was apparently alive with God the Father at the very beginning. Not only that, but He also was God. John says it was "the Word" who created everything and who eventually left His place with God the Father to become a human being.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth... He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe in his name. (1:14, 10-12)

The scenario is reminiscent of the 1995 song "One of Us" by Joan Osborne, in which she asks, "What if God was one of us?" The gospel of John has the answer, pointing out that God already was one of us. Long after He had created it all, Jesus lived, breathed, ate, worked, sweated, preached, and died here on planet Earth.

The first chapter of John is the key to understanding the entire Bible. And what it points to is that Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament. Write that down somewhere and memorize it.

Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament. His appearance in a manger in Bethlehem two thousand years ago was not His beginning. His existence did not commence in the womb of His human mother, Mary. Jesus Christ was alive a long time prior to this. He, along with God the Father, was in existence forever, not as a human being, but as a member of the very Family of God.

I have spoken with countless individuals who are under the mistaken impression that the God of the Old Testament is a mean, harsh "God the Father," and things changed for the better when He sent His Son, Jesus, into the world during New Testament times. This is not the case. Jesus Christ also interacted with humans in Old Testament times.

Where's Dad?

If you search the Bible, the phrases "God the Father" and "God our Father" do not appear anywhere in the Old Testament! It's true. Not once. Zero. Silch. Nada. Squatta. They are not there. Feel free to go ahead and read the entire Old Testament right now to be sure. I'll patiently await your return.

Amazingly, while those titles are absent in the Old Testament, they seem to be everywhere in the New Testament, where "God the Father" can be found a dozen times, and God our Father" is in eleven verses. For example:

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:11)

Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. (2 Thessalonians 1:2)

As I pointed out earlier, John's gospel indicates Jesus is the Creator of all things and that "without him was not any thing made that was made."

Paul reiterated that everything came into existence because Jesus created it: "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him" (Colossians 1:16).

The book of Genesis makes statements such as these:

In the beginning God created heaven and earth. (1:1)

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (1:3)

And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. (1:25)

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them (1:27)

Substitute the name Jesus for the word God in each of these verses, and it becomes clear that Jesus was the Creator of the world, as John revealed in the opening of his gospel.

Holy Moses Was Wholly About Jesus

It is not only a few isolated verses that support this concept of Jesus being the God of the Old Testament. John noted that Jesus told the Jews who were persecuting Him that the Old Testament writings of Moses were mainly about Him -- Jesus.

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life and they are they which testify of me. (John 5:39)

For had ye believed Moses ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me (John 5:46)

Notice, Jesus was saying that Moses wrote and testified about Him. He did not mention God the Father.

Furthermore, John went out of his way to make a distinction between Jesus and God the Father, stressing that no human being has ever even seen God the Father or heard His voice at any time:

No one has ever seen God. But his only Son, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart; he has told us about him. (John 1:18 NLT)

And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape (John 5:37)

No man hath seen God at any time (1 John 4:12)

This is the core of the matter. According to the Bible, God was seen and heard many times in the Old Testament. He appeared in person to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and even taled with Moses face-to-face. But if Jesus is correct that no one has ever seen God at any time, neither hearing His voice nor seeing His shape, then who was it that everyone in the Old Testament saw and heard? It was Jesus Christ in His life before being born as a human!

Believe it or not, the Bible does not say "God the Father" created all things. It does not say "God the Father" destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Nowhere does it say "God the Father" spoke to the patriarchs or the prophets. It does not say "God the Father" led the Israelites out of Egypt and on a forty-year tour through the wilderness. "God the Father" did not wrestle with Jacob. It is the God who later came to be known as Jesus who did all these things.

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