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Francis's comments "'Empirical Fact' That Many Clergy Are Gay" (homosexuality)

posted by fezik82(R), Ohio, 08.14.2015
(edited by fezik82 on 08.14.2015)

I am going to have to do this a point at a time. In the future, could you please stop highlighting in bold? It really bothers my eyes and I lose focus.

How do we keep ending up on two completely different pages? You quoted Hebrews 8:10-13, the covenant that God made with nobody else but the House of Israel. Do you not believe in that passage that you cited? Is your issue whether we refer to Israel as His "bride" or as His "chosen people"? The fact that Israel is God's chosen one is inscribed in nearly every book of the Bible. Could you please just explain to me your interpretation of this passage so that I can try to understand your position:

The LORD’s Mercy on Israel (just after Israel's punishment)

“Therefore, behold, I will allure her,
and bring her into the wilderness,
and speak tenderly to her.
And there I will give her her vineyards
and make the Valley of Achore a door of hope.
And there she shall answer as in the days of her youth,
as at the time when she came out of the land of Egypt.

“And in that day, declares the LORD, you will call me ‘My Husband,’ and no longer will you call me ‘My Baal.’ For I will remove the names of the Baals from her mouth, and they shall be remembered by name no more. And I will make for them a covenant on that day with the beasts of the field, the birds of the heavens, and the creeping things of the ground. And I will abolishf the bow, the sword, and war from the land, and I will make you lie down in safety. And I will betroth you to me forever. I will betroth you to me in righteousness and in justice, in steadfast love and in mercy. I will betroth you to me in faithfulness. And you shall know the LORD. (Hosea 2:14-20).

I just can't understand your position here at all... as if your beliefs are left up to a coin toss. Where do you base your belief that God is not betrothed to Israel? Do you feel that you will find salvation outside of God's covenant? You said:

)> The covenant (old) were directed only to the nation of Israel. In order for the covenants to be fulfilled, Christ had to accomplish the atonement, His sacrifice of Himself. But, by His Grace that was extended beyond the covenants, and opened the windows of heaven's salvation to the whole race. (See supporting scriptures below)

Galatians 3:29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Acts 2:39
The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call."

Why would they need to be Abraham's seed to inherit the promise? Because the promise was to Abraham's seed... Israel? WHAT does this connection that you made mean to you? Can you possibly be saved if you are not Abraham's seed? Nope. Why not? You cite Acts 2:39... a teaching given to "men of Israel" (verse 22). What was your point in this verse again? Why don't you take some time to read your Bible.

I asked The Lord how much He loved me

He stretched out His arms and said, "this much"

Then He died for me


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