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posted by Zedinhim(R), 07.08.2015

Hi Fezik been awhile,

Fezik> Interpretation is important and if you are equipped by God to interpret individually, and Lorenzo, Steve, and I are... why do we ever disagree? Doesn't the same God work in all of us? 1 Cor 1:10, for example, is clear that we are supposed to be of the same mind.. no divisions.

Zed>>Do you think that maybe we disagree has anything to do with the extra traditional teaching you hold?


Fezik>Which of us is authorized to interpret the Scriptures? I believe none of us... those verses which speak against divisions were read to the same Masses that received the interpretation of the Bishops and priests that the New Testament Scriptures were written to.

Zed>> No that’s not what I see, here look carefully to whom the letter was addressed to. Philippians 1 ;1

”Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus,
To all God’s holy people in Christ Jesus at Philippi, together with the overseers and deacons.
Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”


Zed>> Plenty more examples if you search, and buy the way the apostles did not established priests amongst the congregation, they were no longer required.


Fezik>You said, "He also seems to imply that roman catholic church is a safe zone; stick with her and your eternal life will be safe"... where do you see that?
by Shane Schaetzel >>>”What will happen to Evangelicalism then? Without one mega-church pastor to hold them together doctrinally, and without any kind of liturgy or sacraments to bind them together traditionally, what will become of Evangelicalism? Can we expect them to deviate even further on doctrinal issues? Will each small-group become a denomination unto itself? Will Evangelicalism just devolve into some kind of Christianised Individualism? I really don't know the answer to these questions.
Zed>>Notice how he paints a bleak picture toward evangelicals churches, and now we see the big build up of the rrc.

Shane Schaetzel continues>>>. They're all gone now,(re evangelicals )but the Catholic Church still remains, the Rock of Saint Peter stands tall.


Fezik> that didn't exactly seem like justification for a small group being named "church".
but where do you truly find room for this in the New Testament?

Colossians 4:15
Give my greetings to the brothers and sisters at Laodicea,
and to Nympha and the church in her house. ...


Romans 16:5
... Greet also the church in their house. Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who was the first
convert to Christ in Asia. ... Greet also the church in their house. ...


Philemon 1:2.
... and Apphia our sister and Archippus our fellow soldier, and the church in your house: ...

1 Corinthians 16:19
... The churches of Asia send you greetings. Aquila and Prisca, together with the
church in their house
, send you hearty greetings in the Lord. ...




Ferik>... a church is defined in the Bible in two different ways... one that is the body of Christ, yet remains united to Christ Himself only through participation in the physical Church (eg. 1 Corinthians 10:17).

Zed>> Yea !! did you get two different definitions of “church” from this verse;”
1 Corinthians 10:17 "And though we are many, we all eat from one loaf of bread, showing that we are one body.”

I,m not so sure what you mean when you say;” the physical Church”.
The pattern laid down in the New Testament bears no resemblence to what we know today as "church". God's people are meant to live by the ecclesia pattern -together in communities, holding all things common, under the government of God through the apostles.

 


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