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I should have simplified (revelation)

posted by fezik82(R), Ohio, 10.06.2014

When you asked me what my doctrine has to offer you... I can't believe how hard that is to answer. I'm still learning, there are so many things that I have been coming across lately that completely disrupt my way of looking at a topic and I'm a little nervous that I'll misrepresent God here... but here goes my outlook so far! I guess that I would say that it's not entirely about us. I know that you don't do good things for your wife because she will repay you, but because you want to show your love to her... in effect, her love for you will continue to grow b/c you put her first... not because you demanded repayment. I think that our relationship with God works in the same way. You just basically told the world a summary of what your wife means to you, I am now her fan =). We are expected to follow Christ in order to expand His Kingdom and use the gifts that He gave so that we can drive others towards Him... to give Him more fans. That we get a reward shouldn't be our goal (though it is enticing), I believe that He wants us to use His gifts so that He can save as many people as possible, and He gave us the tools to help Him... like Scripture, love, and the Wisdom of the Spirit.

Adam was made perfect, or, "in God's image", but he fell from grace. Without deserving it, God gave you the free gift of grace that Adam lost... now you are God's image and it is your goal to show those who are not in God's graces who God is by your actions. That being said, I do disagree with one thing from your post, that you can't do anything good for the Kingdom in the flesh. If you are caught stealing with a crucifix around your neck in a repressed area that doesn't know the Christian God, you just told everyone who saw you that your God is a thief... but if you love your wife and help your neighbor in that same area with that same necklace, you are going to show that your God is love. You were given gifts and He wants you to choose to use them... because He wants more people to come to Him for salvation. That is what I believe is supposed to drive us... but it also comes with a reward. You have the free will to hurt your wife in some way, but you choose God's way... you tell God "yes, I will listen to you" every time that you choose His way. You don't necessarily 'earn' a reward, but He gives it to you anyway:

1 Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent love among yourselves: for love shall cover a multitude of sins.

Again... I am not saying that you earn your salvation, but God is giving it to you as a free gift because you choose to obey Him. Every time that you show love, you are telling God "yes!"... then He chooses to "cover a multitude of sins". He's returning your love.


James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

"Save a soul from death" is the true reason to convert... the free gift in return is covering over some more of your own sins.

I was going through hell a couple of years ago and every time that I tuned in to bibleprobe, your daily message fit right into my life and eased me. I don't believe that you can do nothing for God while you're in the flesh.. because you did for me.

Anyway, so I guess that's my view of what 'my doctrine' does... instead of a once in a lifetime acts of God's love for you, it's continuous. You can repeatedly offer each other your love.

I asked The Lord how much He loved me

He stretched out His arms and said, "this much"

Then He died for me


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