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I should have simplified (revelation)

posted by fezik82(R), Ohio, 10.02.2014
(edited by fezik82 on 10.02.2014)

Thank you, but I still don't understand completely your stance on Christ's role as High Priest. We are not holy enough to approach God yet, which is why we are in need of a Mediator... which is basically the role of the High Priest. I don't deny Hebrews 10:10... Jesus was sacrificed only once and the offering is for all, but 16 verses later, he says that some show that they don't accept it because they continue to sin and no sacrifice for their sins will be accepted (verse 26). Before that, starting in 21, he says:

and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.

He is telling us that our high priest is still cleansing us.

You said:

If we have to perform deeds or works or holiness in order to be made in right standing with God, then Christ has died in vain. Either He did it all for us or He didn't.

No, Christ died in vain only if He didn't rise from the dead. Whether or not some people choose not to accept His sacrifice and come to Him for salvation, He did not die in vain. He wants everyone to come to Him so that they can be saved (1 Tim 2:4). No doubt you must believe that Christ's sacrifice doesn't save the wicked, John said, "whoever believes in Him shall not perish" (John 3:16). Believing in Him is a requirement for salvation... it's also a deed. Abraham was told that the entire (future) nation of Israel would be reconciled to God through Isaac in Genesis 17:7, yet he was willing to walk Isaac up the mountain and slay him b/c he trusted in God... whether he thought that God would bring Isaac back to life on earth to reconcile the nations, or in heaven as he awaited the heavenly city (Hebrews 11:10), the fact of the matter is that God was very specific that it was Isaac's seed which would reconcile the nations to God, but while Isaac was a child and could not have produced a seed yet, Abraham knew that God would keep His promise that He made through Isaac's seed. That is faith! Faith produces "deeds":

James 2:20You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is uselessd ? 21Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”e and he was called God’s friend. 24You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

You say we are saved "by faith alone", the Bible says, "not by faith alone". No offense, but I'm going to have to side with James.

John 6:53 unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you

Again, faith leads to deeds. Abraham believed that God would reconcile the world to Himself through the unborn seed of his dead son, I believe that I have no life if I do not eat the flesh of the Son of Man. Which is more incredible? The requirements, or 'deeds' are also found in John 3:17:

unless a person is born of water and Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God

Christ taught repentance. Not only is repentance a deed, but a requirement if you choose to accept salvation. Repenting doesn't just mean that you say 'sorry', but that you completely turn around and stop sinning. Believing in Christ doesn't save you, "even the demons believe and shudder" (James 2:19).

When you said that, "If we have to doubt whether we have eternal life now, how can we have faith for anything?"... I sympathize with you if this is how you feel, but like I mentioned in the last post, Jude describes that there were people who believed that they were automatically saved by the sacrifice, so they continued on in their sins. They believed in Christ, they confessed His sacrifice, but thought that the sacrifice had already washed away their sins and so they felt free to continue on sinning... they "use the grace of God as a license for immorality". He calls them "ungodly" and describes that by continuing in sin, they are consequently deny Jesus as Lord (Jude 1:4).

I asked The Lord how much He loved me

He stretched out His arms and said, "this much"

Then He died for me


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