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Who is Babylon (One world religion?) (Islam Danger)

posted by Zedinhim(R), 10.01.2014

posted by fezik82 , Ohio, 09.28.2014
You said that 1 Corinthians 11:26 (as often as ye eat this bread... ye do shew the Lord's death till he come) explains the doctrinal reason for the Lord's Supper. I was curious what "shew" means in Biblical terms because while I see you're reasoning, I just don't find it convincing... especially in light of the clarity of the teaching of a literal substance within the Bible. After searching Strong's, I found that the word for "shew" was used 17 times by the apostles. 11 times it was used (in the KJV) as "preach" or "preached", once as "teach", twice as "declare". The most that I can get from this verse is that it is not conclusive enough to use as any sort of proof text for either of our beliefs. What is conclusive(at least in my opinion) is that "remind yourself of" isn't a strong enough phrase for the word used for "shew".

Zed> Ok allow me to try again, 1 Corinthians 11:23-26
23 "For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim(shew) the Lord’s death until he comes."

1. It is an occasion for remembrance
2. It is an occasion for fellowship
3. It is proclaiming the Lord’s redemptive work for all mankind

Fezik> What Paul said in 1 Corinthians 11 is very similar to the layout for the Passover Feast in Exodus 12. There's no doubt that he meant to link the two in this letter. The Jews completely purified themselves beforehand. Do you feel that the Old Testament Passover was really meant to be more holy than the New?

Zed> The believer who tries to relate to God through the old system will fail Rom 7:1-25, but the believer who relates to God in the new covenant way will discover that “the righteous requirements of the law” are being “fully met” in his life by the indwelling Spirit of God. Rom 8:1-17

Fezik> Making a mistake in your interpretation of the rules for the OT Passover would cost you your firstborn. This was clear... eat the bread, eat the lamb... or your child dies. It was that important. But it seems that all they would need to do is break a piece of bread and "remember " the lamb... according to your terms. I guarantee you that they would regret that decision come morning! Paul (who you point out was taught by God Himself) teaches that Christ is the Paschal Lamb. This same man repeatedly teaches that the Jews were still veiled and living in the shadows. He does not say that they were completely off in their own world and holding strange customs... but that their traditions/feasts were "the shadows of what were to come". You need to seriously meditate on why Paul would have believed Christ to be our Paschal Lamb, and what he found that could possibly cast the shadows of the Jewish Passover. It has to be related to the OT Passover... or it would have cast an entirely different shadow.

Zed> New Testament writers considered the religion of Israel a “copy and shadow” of greater spiritual realities revealed in Jesus. Col 2:17, Heb 8:5-8,

Fezik> In the OT, children were punished for the sins of their parents... it wasn't out of character that the punishment of the parents for disobeying the command to eat the lamb of the Passover was the death of their firstborn child. These days, we're only guilty of our own sin. Paul preaches death and damnation to those who eat and drink unworthily... we need to know how we avoid this. Maybe the answer is in verse 29.

Zed> “those who eat and drink unworthily” Let's Look at the context of these verses, they seems to begin around verse 16 of 1 Cor. 11. Paul mentions people who are contentious, and that there were divisions among them (v. 18). He also mentions people getting drunk in v. 21. Paul then says in verse 22, "Do you not have houses in which to eat and drink? Or do you despise the church of God and shame those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? In this I will not praise you."
It is after this that Paul speaks more directly about communion and how it represents the Body and Blood of Christ. In verse 26 he says, "as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes." Paul relates the communion to the sacrifice of Christ and then says to examine one's self in verse 28. It seems most probable that Paul is telling people to examine their motives, make sure there is no dissension with other believers, to take the supper solemnly, and that they were to rightly understand that it represents the sacrifice of Christ.

Fezik>I wasn't going to go here, it's related.. but not the point that you were making. The verse that you cited mirrors John 2:21, which says, " But he spoke of the temple of his body." What is the temple of His body?

Zed>It’s a good question and a very important one. His Church, body or ecclesia (congregation or the called out ones), called out by God. Not made with human hands. Mk 14:58
1 corithian 6 19” Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;”
Ephesians 5:23(b)” Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.”


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