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Just to clarify my reasoning for my last response (revelation)

posted by fezik82(R), Ohio, 09.19.2014

I understand where you're coming from... you believe that I don't think that Christ's sacrifice was enough. That would offend me, too. By choosing the verses that you did, I assume that you believe that I don't recognize grace, but I really do. Catholicism's view of salvation by works really doesn't have anything to do with the written law, it's more about those same laws which have been inscribed into the hearts of Christians since Pentecost. God gave us a chance at salvation... He doesn't demand that we accept it. He was rejected time and time again and could have just left us to die in our sins, but He basically said, 'no, I refuse to let you go. I will pay the price for your sin Myself because nothing that you can do will redeem you"... that was the gift.

Jude pointed out that there were some, even in his day, who viewed the grace of God as a license for immorality (v 4)... they continued in their sin, consequently denying Jesus as Lord. Sin still has consequence. There was also the prostitute that was brought before Christ.. He told her that He does not condemn her, then said, "go now, and sin no more" (Jn 8:11). Not, "you can't possibly sin because I made you clean", but "stop sinning!" John also recorded a conversation that Christ had w/the paralyzed man after He had healed him. He said, "See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.” (Jn 5:14).

John said that we prove that we know God by following His commands, but "the man who says, 'I know him,' but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him" (1 Jn 2:4)... there are expectations for us to meet. Our bodies are the temple of the living God and it is our duty as Christians to keep His temple clean and pure, and to turn toward God as the only one who can save us from our sins. We are to deny ourselves and pick up our cross. Christ is our Owner, and like Paul, Peter, John, and James, we are His 'servants'. To serve Him, we make ourselves a slave to every man (1 Cor 9:19): "whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of [Christ], you did for [Christ]" (Mt 25:40). Though we are dirty, rotten, and sinful, He sent His Son to redeem us... that was a gift, not something that we were entitled to and absolutely not something that we deserved. By faith in Jesus Christ, and in His sacrifice, we are compelled to live the life that Christ taught us to live... because "faith without deeds is dead". If our faith is true, then we believe Christ's teachings on charity, love, and forgiveness (aka "works"). We believe that we must gather together to praise God as His disciples did... that we must receive the Eucharist, or we will have "no life" in us. This is another example of a "deed"... believing that Christ meant what He said and being obedient to His instructions. According to Matthew 8:29 (if confessing Christ alone could save you), the demons are saved. But they're not, and that's because they do evil acts... or "bad deeds".

Catholics believe that Christ paid for all sins, if we lay them on Him. We believe in temporal punishment, I believe that penance is a "sacrifice" that is made to relieve temporal punishment... not to save our souls. We can do nothing to save our souls but trust in God and let that trust lead us to do righteous acts.

Let me ask you something, though... the Passover was fulfilled by Christ on its original day which was set by God, on Passover. Christ rose from the dead on the Feast of the Firstfruits. Shabuoth (the day to commemorate the giving of the law to Moses) was fulfilled by Christ in the way that only God could on Pentecost... when He inscribed those very same laws into the hearts of His believers. He says that He will return at a day and hour that "nobody knows"... which happens to be a description used by ancient Jews for Rosh Hashanah (the Day of Judgment)... and what does He return for? Judgment! Not only judgment of the bad, but of the good and the bad. Biblically, God prescribed Atonement Day 10 days later... after the judgment. Do you suppose that (though He fulfilled every other feast and tradition in a way that only He could AND on their proper days which He laid out for them), that suddenly Atonement Day has come... before Judgment Day? We only have the "hope" of being saved, we have not yet been saved... though the sacrifice has been made, our sins have not yet been atoned for.

1 John 1:8, if we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. But Christ abolished all sin, right?

Hebrews 9:27, 28.. He was sacrificed once for sin, BUT, He will return to give salvation. I assume that this is why Paul was working out his salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12).

Paul compared salvation to the isthmus games that were popular in Corinth. Those were some brutal "games"! He said that the winner had to beat his body in order to receive the prize (1 Cor 9:27)... that sounds like he contributed to his salvation, but only by being obedient to Christ.

Most importantly, when we sin, we are guilty of crucifying the Son of God all over again (Hebrews 6:6)! In a sense, He is still up there on that cross and by our willful sinning, we are still torturing Him by our poor choices. This is why we Catholics hand to God Christ's offering every single week... we are still being cleansed by that one sacrifice. This is why we need a Mediator. We are not holy enough to approach the Father, we have not yet been fully reconciled to God.. so Christ is our Mediator (until He returns and hands the Kingdom, over which He has been Mediator and King, back to the Father [1 Corinthians 15:24-28]).

I asked The Lord how much He loved me

He stretched out His arms and said, "this much"

Then He died for me


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