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matthew7 - Water Baptism is necessary! (baptism)

posted by matthew7, 01.05.2007

First of all I am sorry if you felt what I said was wrong. I have taken what you said in to account and done as much of my own reasearch as I could. I have to say I have changed my mind about a few of the things I said.However, I am still somewhat confused. First of all after thinking about it children do not no sin but they are intrinsically born of original sin, so I must take that back. Second, just to ask. You said :::

Jesus said we MUST be baptized
by both water and the Holy Spirit

Please refer me to the bible verse that says this,the one you quote says born why whould it not say baptize if that is what was meant.Are they
synonymous. Please clarify.

I dont really claim a denomination other than the bible and what it says. I search for truth. I don not belive any one denomination has perfect truth.
Only jesus and what he taught is perfect.

I do have to say however that my heart keeps telling me this. I do not think that if you have true faith in christ and were to die berore you compleated the water baptisim you would go to hell. What you think.

However, my heart also tells me this, and this is why I have no choice but to agree with you. If it is unessecary why did JESUS do it he was wihout sin and did not even need it. So it must have been an example. Logically this is the only conclusion one can make. Thank you for sparking my search for truth.



Please do not try and minimize the importance of water Baptism. It too is
necessary as an act of obedience to Jesus. Jesus said we MUST be baptized
by both water and the Holy Spirit. Look at water Baptism as a required
ticket for entry into an exclusive club.

John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born
of water and of the Spirit
, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Water baptism is an act of obedience to the Lord's command. It is God's
promise to us that, just as water washes away dirt from our bodies
Christ's shed blood washes away all filth from our soul's. All our sins.

The outward act of Water baptism itself does not forgive sins, nor can any
act performed by man. Jesus took all our sins of the world upon Himself on
the cross. And only by accepting Jesus as your Savior can you have your
sins forgiven.

Luke 3:3-4
3And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism
of repentance for the remission of sins
; 4As it is written in the
book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying
in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths

1 Peter 3:21
"....whereunto even baptism doth also now save us, (not as a removal of
dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience),
through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

So, in other words John the Baptist preached repentance, or a change of
mind and heart toward God. This makes the way to the Kingdom of Heaven

Mothers - baptize your infants in obedience to Jesus.

If you belong to a denomination who falsely teaches that a child should
only be baptized after they have reached an age of reasoning, you are not
following the Apostolic tradition, and you are actually being cruel to
your child, should anything happen to them before they are baptized.Don't
second guess why Jesus said you (and your young children) must be

From the beginning of New Testament Christianity at the Feast of Pentecost
(Acts 2: 38-39) to our time, unbroken and uninterrupted; the church has
baptized babies. Entire households (Jewish, proselytes and Gentiles) were
baptized by Christs original 12 Apostles (I Corinthians 1: 16; Acts 11:
14, 16: 15, 33, 18: 8) and that practice has continued with each

Read this excellent article by Lutheran Pastor Dennis Kastens on "infant
baptism" all the way back to the Apostles:

Read more on Water Baptism here:


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