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the devil is called day star, son of morning.

Jesus is called the bright and morning star.



1 can the devil still be a day star even after he was fallen ? God calls him day star son of dawn! is he just ridiculing him (continuing to refer to him by a great title, the exclamation point used because he's now so low which is a huge difference from what a day star is). remember a day star has lots of light (bible says Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light)

2 Jesus is called a day star in peter and revelations. Is God called a star in the old testament ? or is star referring to anything that's bright (God is the light of the world so He would shine like a morning star) because remember when the 'son of man' returns He will be full and surrounded by the glory of God and the ones coming with Him are the angels of heaven. the devil left his habitation so obviously he isn't a bright being in heaven any longer (a requirement of being a morning star). in the old testament the king of babylon is what's being talked about when lucifer comes up in scripture but it's obvious babylons king's greatness and demise are being compared to the devil's. so a man is being compared, called a star at the same time. so maybe star just means something bright and morning means it stands out among every other thing. what would follow is that the messiah will also be a great LIGHT that will DAWN and that's exactly what scripture says,
"Isa 9:1 but in the future he will honor Galilee of the Gentiles, by the way of the sea, along the Jordan, The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned.
keywords LIGHT, DAWNED. This is who God uses to HONOR Galilee. "

i guess the best comparison would the devil and messiah are called lions but one is majestic, peaceful the other is vicious, destructive, an enemy of everyone.

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It is true that Lucifer, is called the "Day Star," from certain translations of Isaiah 14:12. It is also true that 2 Peter 1:19 refers to Jesus Christ as the "day star". "12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

In 2 Peter 1:19 and elsewhere, the same Latin word lucifer is used of the morning star with no relation to the devil. I believe it refers to Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 1:19:
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

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Revelation 22:16:
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

"Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the Lord"

"Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth ... When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" (Job 38:4,7)

from this it should be clear that morning star does not refer to just one person just like even though at one time satan was among the sons of God it does not mean everyone called a son of God is bad.

when Adam was created he was called THE SON OF GOD. Adam had God breathe His own life into him which sets him apart from the angels but he's still called son of God.

In his rebellion he lost his right relationship to the Lord but not his place as a prince angel. the antichrist is referred to as a prince, of the air, of babylon. the antichrist sets up a false worldly peace in the world, his kingdom is of this world, Jesus kingdom is not of this world.

old testament messianic prophecy

Isaiah "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace"

so the devil and the messiah are both called princes too and in the old testament, one obviously has much more authority since he's Prince and God, and Father, but the word prince is just a designation, like Adam being greater than the angels he was called the son of God (God breathed His own spirit into him), angels were called sons of God.


Nu 24:17 (NIV) "I see him, but not now; I behold him, but not near. A star will come out of Jacob; a sceptre will rise out of Israel..."

so the messiah is also called a star.

Isa 60:1-2 (NIV) "Arise, shine, for your light has come, and the glory of the Lord rises upon you. See, darkness covers the earth and thick darkness is over the peoples, but the Lord rises upon you and his glory appears over you."

Isa 9:2 (NIV) The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned.

dawning light = morning star

Psalm 30:5 For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.

Hosea 6 He will revive us after two days; He will raise us up on the third day, That we may live before Him, So let us know, let us press on to know the LORD. His going forth is as certain as the dawn.
dawn is the same as morning.

and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles
Isaiah 42:6

"For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee"


just trying to clear some things up. hope that helped.

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Stars are used in reference to many things in the Bible. I don't know whether I am correct, but "The Morning Star" seems to mean the one and only. I have read so many conflicting stories on the morning and day star, but I know that I have read that in some versions they actually translate what should read "morning star" as "devil". I believe that I read that on the Wikipedia Morning Star page. Unfortunately, I have no idea if that is correct. I think that verses such as Numbers 24:17 and Revelation 22:16 refer to Christ, but the angels are considered stars (Rev. 1:16,20), Christians are stars (Philip. 2:15-16), the Saints are stars (Daniel 12:3), and even the heretics (Jude 13)... It seems to me that Satan is referred to as the "Day Star", and I chocked it up to him always trying to be as similar as he possibly can to Christ... but he can just never quite make the grade because he is not Christ.

Another thing that I am not sure that I have quite right is where you mentioned that Satan and Christ are both called "prince". I think that where Christ is "The Prince of Peace"... "Prince" is taken as a translation from a different word as "prince" with the lower case "p"... like "Yahweh", "kurios", and "kyrios" and how they translate as "LORD", "Lord", and "lord"... so they weren't both necessarily being referred to as "princes". Check though, I'm not sure!

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Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
~~Matthew 22:37

i think that's the danger in calling the devil lucifer because it could be referring to him as the morning star he ceased being when he lost his first estate. (fallen angels still emit light but it's definitely not the same kind of light coming from the angels of glory who are still in heaven and who will be accompanying Jesus when he returns).

you could be right about the word prince, but either way someone can't be a prince unless they have a unique position that gives them authority over something great (spiritually speaking). the devil's kingdom is of this world, the messiah's kingdom is not of this world. i still need to look all this stuff up to be more specific. I think the arcangel Michael is called a prince over the heavenly hosts of Israel.
the messiah as Prince of Peace is also King of Kings, everlasting Father, so he's both King and Prince, Father and Son.

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I'm going to be honest, the Morning Star thing is still quite a bit over my head. I jotted it in my notes for something that I would like to understand one day, but there is just so much that I would need to understand better before it all makes sense.

I think that you're right about the authority attributed with a title like "prince". He is referred to as "the god of this world" in 2 Corinthians 4:4 and throughout the NT he is referred to as the "father" of the non-believers and mortal sinners. I don't know if this will help you because I am not sure that I am even understanding correctly, but he certainly has great power and has been made what some would call a "god" through that power because he was followed/worshipped... he was given authority to rule the earth. I don't know whether you are looking for why he has authority? That's an ambitious goal! I think that with the answer comes the meaning of life! You are doing a great job in the gathering your verses, I'm sorry that I couldn't be much help!

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Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
~~Matthew 22:37

It was your original verse that I was talking about where the versions are all different, I didn't realize it! The reliable versions of Isaiah 14:12 say, "Lucifer" (and this is the only time "Lucifer" is used in the Bible... and it is Latin for "morning star"), some say "Morning Star", and the ASV (which I believe was originally put out by the Watchtower Society) and ERV both say "day star". So my original response to you was wrong... and I reread your original post and I realized that my answer had absolutely nothing to do with your point! Sorry, I misunderstood you. This is where I am getting most confused...

Lu·ci·fer

NOUN:

1. The archangel cast from heaven for leading the revolt of the angels; Satan.
2. The planet Venus in its appearance as the morning star.
3. lucifer A friction match.

This is off the subject, but is Satan being called "archangel" Biblical? The second definition... I don't know whether it has anything to do with Satan or not? Any thoughts? Another thing is that without the second definition, I was under the impression that in the end when the beast swipes his tail and hurls the stars at the earth that he was hurling bad angels or something... please tell me that the definition isn't connected? I don't want to get hit by stars! Although, if the alternative is bad angels... I may just pray for the stars !

There's a lot of good information on this page http://www.answers.com/topic/lucifer. This part is the most confusing for me with the definition above (b/c of the "before his fall") :

"("bearer of Light")

The planet Venus at dawn. In some Bible translations the name is used in Isaiah 14:12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!" originally meaning "the shining one" and referred to the king of Babylon. In the 3rd century A.D. the saying of Jesus: "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven" (Luke 10:18) was connected to Isaiah 14:12 and Lucifer was accepted as the name of Satan before his fall. "

UPDATE :

Nevermind the stars being hurled to earth... it was Revelation 12 and I didn't realize that it had already happened when Mary gave birth... which means that Luke 10:18 when Christ saw Satan fall, He watched from Heaven (but in His Mother's womb). Revelation 12:17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. Alright, the Bible is awesome!!!!!! Take that anti-Trinitarians!

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Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
~~Matthew 22:37